Sunday, September 26, 2010

Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson

I am a member of the boxingscene forums and have had much fun discussing topics there over the years. I took a long break from posting there but in the last week I've been going back and building my post count up. Sometimes debates can be quite heated on there and when I am in the mood I am up for a good debate. Going through some of my history there, I thought I would post a debate with a guy named leff, who made the mistake of questioning my opinion on what was meant to be a fun hypothetical discussion. He asked for proofs on what can't be proven since one of the relevant parties in this discussion was only about seven years old when the other one died. He sure got a detailed answer from me! This is from four-and-a-half years ago:

ME (just chiming in in the spirit of the threat):
Bruce Lee would move around Tyson and frustrate him enormously, then take out his legs and drop him and stomp his face in when he was down.Tyson was great but had trouble with movers.

Leff:and your proof on lees fighting abilitys are?

ME:What the hell are proofs? Who can PROVE anything? It's a theoretical discourse. The only thing you can PROVE are facts and given that Bruce will never fight Tyson, there are no facts, one can only make theories based on what they have read about or seen regarding the fighting styles of either person...

Leff (here's where he gets a bit smug and pompous, just right to be taken apart):uuuum

you know evidence that lee could fight at all dont exist,
kinda does that tyson could.

pluss lee 130
tyson 215-220

get it?

Me (this is where he got more than he bargained for):
Yes I do get it.

First of all, unfortunately I did not know Bruce Lee, he was a bit before my time. I can only go by what other people say about him and what I've seen in documentaries and I've read his book. Is it possible that he didn't know what he was talking about? Maybe, yes, look, maybe he had someone else ghost write the notes that became Bruce Lee's Fighting Method and all the other books that have been issued under his name. Yes, maybe one day we'll find out that he was a farce. Maybe we will learn that the fights that I've heard about in interviews didn't happen and were all made up;that he really didn't know what he was talking about, that the possibility as remote as it is, does exist. Then tyson would turn his jaw bone into powder and knock his head off his shoulders if they were to actually fight.
But the point here is that this whole thread is a what if as are many of the threads on this forum. Of course there are many variables that can affect the outcome of a fight(so and so could come into the fight drunk, so and so could have the flu, so and so's mother may have died the night before, etc). But when you add to a thread, you are placing your opinion and to place an opinion you have to work with what you know. I believe that it was Tyson who said that everyone has a plan until they get hit. So anything can happen.
Since I put my opinion down I based it on what I know about Lee andTyson. Yes, Tyson when he was motivated is one of my all time favorites and yes, I've seen most of his fights. If Tyson fought Lee in the boxing ring with gloves no less, he would bring his weight to bear on Lee and the odds of Lee even surviving or coming out uninjured are in question. I'm basing my opinion on Lee knowing what he was talking about and having been in many street fights. If he wasn't and like I said before if that wasn't true, then that changes everything. But assuming that he did know what he was talking about and was an experienced street fighter, and I am talking about a fight on the street, (maybe I didn't make that clear in my other post, not in the ring, which I am here), Bruce wouldn't fightTyson's fight, he would use fast footwork and stay out of Tyson's range (and yes, I know Tyson could potentially kill him with one punch). He would fight dirty on Tyson when he saw an opening, if he could flick a finger jab to the eyes or he would, as I said in the other post kick him in the knee. The dirty fighting is what i think would tip the scales towardBruce and neutralize the size advantage. But, like I said there are always variables.
If we base everything strictly on size, Dempsey 187
Willard 245
Dempsey TKO Round 3 with seven knockdowns in the first round alone. Granted the size between Tyson and Lee is even more distanced than that, but I already said how I think Lee would neutralize it in a street fight where they both have the opportunity to face off ie no sucker punches.
That was fun!


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